Liberal vs. evangelical viewpoints can highlight differences, opposites even, and mechanism of faith.

About what's appropriate and expected in struggles through to outworking and fulfilment. What's doing in the fuel and chemistry and being a believe-er.

What should we be thinking and proclaim as we go? Is it 'God is God' and we can ask but not get pushy like and presume.

This more a liberal-line, maintains 'doubt' is a necessity. Said to be obvious, healthy and an honest, come essential element. Moreover, and the reason why we have faith. In that "we can't be sure" so it's understandable there's uncertainty.

We hold out in hope, yet accept disappointment could be coming? Supposed to avoid the foolish trap we reckon on somehow, we're 'manipulating God'. Resign ourselves to receive, what will be, will be. As though this presenting-respect is higher than considered shallow, mental, whipping-up and presumption.

Proclaim a promise -- but in the light of potential failure? Get into acceptance and remember what's written in one place; "if it, be...thy, will".

A critique of evangelical tendencies and determination that niggling wobbles are for squashing. Better we shake ourselves out of mental and symbolic refuting. Grow up and get beyond the silly happy-clappy crowd.

This all fits more about a clear belief for something-to-be. God into delivering specifics. Although relevant in the general tone and posture about our life in Christ.

So claimed.

Or?:

God says we are decisive through our speech and action and what will be will be? A determining factor in and on many occasions and situations.

So, do we rebuke uncertainty when having a God-says? Or embrace acceptance of God might-give possibilities?

There's a wider perspective:

Are we into a closed and deterministic perspective vs. a present open and dynamic one?

Two ends of a spectrum: Hyper Calvinism and Open Theism.

Actually, Process Theology is the other end from Calvinism. All in all, can reduce down and lines are about; Has God exhaustive foreknowledge -- or not?

Moving on... (having spent far, far, too long fiddling with text above. When less time = better results and me. Trying not to try is better by far):

One of my growing narks and niggles is how little openness exits among the heated discuss-ers. It might reflect this theological impasse -come- dilemma?

That the Liberal-way has something to say for intellectual reasoning. While -- found wanting and the muscular and rigorous battling for God's invasion on earth.

How damaging is it that too many unprepared to stand in a place of not knowing, come across as insecure dicks?

Does my head in.

Appreciate bolshy strident confidence on some occasions. How being so assertive is heartening and rousing -- until... it spills over and a pause is missing. Screaming for attention is present. When Mr. said-commentator is definitely pretending, something needs dealing with, isn't there.

Instead of facing certain challenging consideration, the open door shuts and what... prefers saving face? Push a line that isn't as straightforward while claiming it is?

Soak up self-satisfaction in an always put all-else down/think-no-better streak.

Anyone reading this (and there's a question?) feel the same?

Running to the line and close:

Get the desperation at the brick wall establishment resistance. "Change is gonna come..." would be a surprise of surprises headlong into frustration and hence the... too often scamming runaway.

OK gotta stop. Spent too long and never even got to the verses that got me and have something to say about.

Jesus has said what and recorded, has us all sussed.

This what we ought to get on.

Eh?